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Post by toph on Mar 24, 2007 19:51:55 GMT -5
Kid shows stink, mainly due to errant writers, just introduce kids to Hellsing and they'll shut right up with stupid questions, or do the smart thing and send them outside
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Post by Sanji Himura on Apr 2, 2007 8:14:55 GMT -5
Here's the deal about all of this. TV today thinks that kids need to be programmed on what to think, instead of allowing parents to teach them. That is why I don't watch "educational" shows today. Now I understand the need to give kids a role model, but if their message isn't kosher, then the plug needs to be pulled. Here's two examples. Barney the purple dinosaur, and Roger Smith from Big O(omiting season 2 for very good reason). Barney does teach that Imagination is a very good thing, however, he doesn't teach that there is real world solutions out there, and "a great big hug and a kiss from me to you" won't save you from someone intent to kill you. Smith, on the other hand, teaches good morals, like respecting women and the elderly, always carry out your promises, and seeing your job through to the end. Good values to learn right? I knew you would agree with me even if Big O has stylized violence and course language(you be the judge). The show has even drawn heat because of its message. I have a rebuke to one such paper(I think it is from Miami) actually saying that the show was better than the others that was showing around it. I can send it to you if you would like to see it for yourself. The whole point of this is that you can't judge a book by its cover, and it is the responsibility of each parent out there to filter it out. I've managed to did up the paper that I was referring to in the above post. I'm going to post it up, censored, as, well how can I put this, proof of the saying, "don't judge a book by it's cover". I do like to point out that judging from the shows that are mentioned, it was written in '98, and I didn't write it(a given). I'll give you an uncut copy on request. ---------------------- UNSUITABLE? HA!This is a combination of two posts that I made at the Anime Jump Crunch-tastic Forum, with some minor elaboration in a few places. The posts were written in response to a review of The Big O at the Orlando Sentinel.----------------------- I have to say, this woman is nuts. Kids aren't the only people watching TV at 5:30. I and my roommates usually come crashing through the door, post-work-and-class, at probaly 5:15ish, and you know what *we* do? We park our silly booties on the couch for some mindless entertainment and a bit of relaxation! The Big O being on Toonami means that I get to watch an intruiging program, rather than subjecting myself to random [censored] folks on Maury Povich. (Which, incidentally, is broadcast in the same time slot as Big O, on a BROADCAST NETWORK, which makes it even *more* accessible to children!) I also think her reading of Roger is *way* off-base. He's determined, honourable, and "values women and the elderly". Now, what exactly is the harm in having a child learn values like those? I think we could all stand to run into *more* kids who carry those traits, thank you. As a generality, the Toonami lineup isn't something meant to pander to small children. Let's look at the other programs in the Toonami block, shall we? Sailor Moon: Okay, the kids get this one. It's fluffy and nice, and preaches the power of love. But it's also pretty dumbed down compared to the original. Gundam Wing: A series that centers around insane political intricacies that most kids, and even some adults would have trouble figuring out... which just happens to be interspered with some giant robots. Dragonball Z: "My power level is bigger than yours, so I'm going to beat the tar out of you! Muahaha!" It's like, the ultimate [censored] contest. Oh yes, Big O is *so* much more violent than DRAGONBALL, my *stars*. ::snerk:: Tenchi: A bunch of girls who are lusting after the same guy, to such a high degree that they would kill each other over it. And that doesn't even account for the implications of naughty naughty [censored] things like [censored]! (Come on, you know *some* freaky conservative out there is thinking it. ;p) Batman/Superman: The only American cartoon in the lineup, and it's just as "dark" as Big O, if not even moreso. Is it somehow *more* okay for this show to be "dark" because it's AMERICAN? I think the double-standard fairy is paying us a visit. People who consider themselves to be competent reviewers, for TV programming of *any* kind, need to know who the target audience is. The target audience of Big O does *not* include your 6-year-old, Pokemon-obsessed little brother. This reviewer is trying to compare Big O with standard Saturday-morning [garbage] like Digimon or Recess, and it just doesn't work. In other words, to echo a previously made point: Just because it's animated doesn't mean it's for toddlers. I was exposed to some pretty dark stuff at an early age, too. My dad was a big movie fan when I was a kid, but my mom was in poor health at the time, so I was always the one that went to the movies with my dad. As a result, I've been seeing rated R movies since I was probably 8 years old, and I had no real restrictions placed on what I could and couldn't see. And yet, here I am, nearing age 21, a perfectly moral and upstanding citizen of this country. All my parents really did was say some words about the difference between the real world and that of the media, and I came out of it with a perfectly good grasp on reality. TV can expose kids to things that they might not otherwise see, and it *can* be something that kids learn from, but what they learn doesn't always have to be something negative. When tempered with the advice and insight of an adult with good judgement, there's no real harm in any television program. End of story.
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Post by eiko on Apr 2, 2007 18:01:26 GMT -5
Hey Sanji, ever hear of La Blue Girl or Beserk? Both should be rated at least NC-17, La Blue Girl could be XXX. and yes, I actually do have both series at home. My sons aren't allowed to watch them yet.
On a non-sex/non-violent type of anime: Ghost is the Shell is definitely not for kids. The plot times are confusing enough even without all their added side stories (So zero equals God, right Mr. Batou?) that even adults, like myself, have to watch the series multiple times to actually get all the stuff that's going on.
Much of anime is not for kids, and never was. Grave of the Fireflies is an older movie about what happened to a couple of kids in Japan shortly after the bomb was dropped on Nagasaki.
It shocks a lot of people to realize that anime is not for kids. Even American animation didn't start that way (Betty Boop and Looney Tunes come to mind). LT isn't really for kids, much of what is there that kids will get is fairly harmless, but most of the double entendres were for adults and refer to things that, maybe, your parents and more likely, your grandparens will get, but not the younger generations anymore.
Hellsing is not for kids toph. I've seen it and I actually can't wait to get my hands on Hellsing Ultimate, but my kids, 13 years old, aren't going to be watching either version for a few years yet.
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Post by toph on Apr 2, 2007 18:10:14 GMT -5
Sarcasm, and the shows Sanji posted were toned down, a lot like Tenchi, thats a major hentai show, and sailor moon shows stuff to in the original, and also, I saw nothing wrong with Big O, just cussing, which could be dumbed out with "hot dog" or "crap", I see nothing wrong with that memory circled show, batman is definetly darker
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Post by herringchoker on Apr 2, 2007 19:51:46 GMT -5
I agree with you about Looney Tunes, eiko; I was an adult before I got some of the jokes. Rocky & Bullwinkle were/are the same way, except with them it's mostly puns.
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Post by musicalchef on Apr 4, 2007 15:00:18 GMT -5
I recently saw Ice Age 2 and was shocked. I thought it was supposed to be a kids movie, but there were so many not-so-subtle sexual innuendoes, and the mammoth told the female mammoth that he liked her big butt! How is that appropriate as a kids' movie?
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Post by Arrianna on Apr 4, 2007 21:29:38 GMT -5
It's not. That's why I don't understand people who think animated=kids.
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Post by toph on Apr 5, 2007 8:51:11 GMT -5
animated use to = kids, but even old american classics like Tom and Jerry are violent, not like the chinese, we love violent shows and movies, in china you go to the top of any roof about 2 o'clock and you can see fights
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Post by allezcuisine on Apr 5, 2007 15:17:15 GMT -5
Today, animation may "=" The Simpsons, Angry Kid, American Dad, Family Guy, etc. Not for kids...
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Post by Man Alive! on Apr 5, 2007 19:38:53 GMT -5
It's not. That's why I don't understand people who think animated=kids. Although animation wasn't originally intended for kids, for a long period of time, pretty much all animation WAS intended only for kids. That's beginning to change again, and some people just don't understand that. I can see why people expect all animation to be kid-friendly, but you'd have to be pretty ignorant nowadays not to realize that many animated features are intended for an older audience.
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Post by herringchoker on Apr 6, 2007 13:14:58 GMT -5
Very true, MA.
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